Everyone can see this, right? That the main, oft-repeated message from manosphere influencers to their audience is "you suck, you weak loser"? Like a straight guy equivalent of beauty marketing targeting women that goes "you're fat and ugly, now buy this product to make yourself feel a bit better."

right the male doomer industry is the one telling them no one respects them because they're not real men without x y z, but for one low low price you can...

Was talking to a trumper in-law and was like “why are you even talking about Trans in sports it’s like seven ppl why do you even care” and his response was “well why is it all over the news then” and my soul just left my body so fast

It’s always funny to me bc when there was an issue with violence in young black men and kids society told us it was negligent parents but when it’s Connor and Tyler it’s suddenly societies problem to solve but not the shitty parents?

Here's the thing, these right wing influencers encourage bad behavior. They want to be openly misogynistic, racist and unempathetic without repercussion. If you're going to act like an asshole expect to be called out as one.

Totally agree. I, a 42-year-old cis white man, don't remember ever being told that I'm bad. I don't think either of my sons has been told anything like that, either. The closest thing I can think of is learning my presence as a man can be intimidating in some circumstances, which is good to know.

I see boys being told to not be violent, mean, abusive, etc., and I think for some men that's what they think being a man is and so for then they do hear “don't be a boy.”

"OUR narratives aren't the problem, it's THEIRS that are the problem" How convenient to believe that your own tribe isn't accountable.

They believe something is wrong with them because women will tell them the truth. We tell men every day, something is definitely wrong with you, fix your own damn self. Also, don't expect women to help you, we are so done with that.

I rate it right up there with the litter boxes in the classroom accuracy

I asked that guy why he was spending time responding to random small accounts rather than posts like this and he immediately blocked you.

Also if you're a guy who is frequently told "you're bad," consider that you may, in fact, be an asshole.

also this messaging that being a "boy or man" means inherently dominating everyone around you and then being like "why are we isolated? why does nobody like being around us? we told them to like it"

Exactly, it is their own incel influencers who are saying they’re “bad.” They’re also the victims and it’s everyone else’s fault, the only solution of course is not to manly things, but to be an asshole.

Whenever any of these tools makes the claim that people being mean to them is what led young men and teenage boys to the manoshpere it's always in vague platitudes devoid of any examples.

"they're telling you it's bad to be a boy" no they're not, they're telling you not to rape people, and if you're conflating the two then you're telling on yourself

All of this “boys are being told they’re bad” is because men are being told they must get consent.