Surely unlimited free speech is not a natural state. The definition of free speech is shaped by laws and norms. So in most of Europe hate speech is indeed not free speech but in the US it is
Jan 10, 2025 13:45I hate this argument. The laws are different in different countries, yes, but the concept of being free to speak is simple. Every country curtails it to some degree, and that's fine, but I get so annoyed by people saying "OK you're not allowed to say X but that doesn't count as 'free speech'"
Well I guess I hate the argument that there is such a thing as pure free speech despite it not existing anywhere in the world because it would be indefensible
then freedom of any kind doesn't exist, surely? Your argument proves too much. There is no freedom of movement in the world. There is no freedom of association. Freedom is false because it does not perfectly exist anywhere. I'd say freedom, like objectivity, is an impossible ideal to strive toward
